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The Caligula movies reconsidered.....

Postby DAILYMILKMAN » Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:48 pm

The Caligula movies....

I guess we all have seen the Caligula Movie.
But WHAT have we seen?
A cut or uncut edition?
The Tinto Brass Movie or an old Black-and-White story?
An Italian or French or English one?

I have collected a number of links to the following:
Caligula II or Caligula The Untold Story Joe d Amato with Laura Gemser 1982
Caligula (the Tinto Brass one) 1979
Caligula and Messalina 1981..

I am still working on it, even on finding some deleted scenes, so please no comments before I am finished...
Thanks to the uploaders without whom i am completely lost...
Enjoy!

THIS POST NEEDS EDITING........So IT MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS....(SEPT 2011)..DailyMilkman
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Re: Willemvijf's rare and hard to find Movies

Postby DAILYMILKMAN » Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:01 pm

Caligula 1979
(The Tinto Brass One)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080491/

Caligula is a 1979 Italian/American adult biographical film directed by Tinto Brass, with additional scenes filmed by Giancarlo Lui and Penthouse founder Bob Guccione. The film concerns the rise and fall of Roman Emperor Gaius Caesar Germanicus, better known as Caligula. Caligula was written by Gore Vidal and co-financed by Penthouse magazine, and produced by Guccione and Franco Rossellini. It stars Malcolm McDowell as the Emperor. Caligula was the first major motion picture to feature eminent film actors (John Gielgud, Peter O'Toole, Malcolm McDowell, Helen Mirren) in a film with explicit sex scenes.

On the multiple versions:
# The unrated version, available in the US and mainland Europe, running 156 minutes (N.T.S.C.) and 150 minutes (P.A.L.), is the most widely seen cut of the film. It enjoyed a limited, albeit highly profitable, run in the U.S. cinema. This version contained significant sexual and violent content, including orgies, masturbation, fellatio, cunnilingus, anal fisting, homosexuality, transvestism, incest, rape, urination, as well as scenes of decapitation of prisoners by a giant "killing machine," infanticide, implied fratricide and zoophilia, and penile as well as testicular castration.
# The UK version, running 149 minutes. Aside from removing eight minutes of explicit footage, the censors substituted some replacement shots, derived from Brass' principal shoot, as well as some remainder footage from Guccione's reshoots. It seems that the alternate footage was inserted carelessly, resulting in glaring continuity errors (especially obvious during the Rape of Proculus and Livia and the Temple of Isis scenes.) This version is out-of-print, and was eventually replaced by the uncut version, which was finally granted classification in July 2008, 29 years after its initial release.[9]
# The rumored and infamous 210-minute unreleased version, shown in a private screening in Cannes, France (though not as part of the film festival). It might have been Russell Lloyd's (one of the original editors, before Giancarlo Lui took over the postproduction) rough cut with a few reels of hardcore sex shot by Bob Guccione added in or simply a rough cut of the 156 minute edition shown back to back with the making-of documentary. No official copy of this version is believed to exist.
(more >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula_%28film%29)

After reading all of this (and even more) I am still in doubt about which of the following links are the best to watch....Please answer this multiple choiche question as you like..

LINK (156 mins ; unrated? English)
http://veehd.com/video/2903844_Caligula-1979
LINK (150 mins; English)
http://veehd.com/video/4515202_Caligula-1979-VHS-ENG-DAN-Tinto-Brass-Bob-Guccione-Giancarlo-Lui
LINK (Part 1/72 mins; unrated?, English)
http://stagevu.com/video/rwtubnlgvjmm
LINK (part 2/77 mins; unrated?, English)
http://stagevu.com/video/mlgojreuzauw
LINK (150 min; Spanish)
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=Z037WPTQ

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Re: Willemvijf's rare and hard to find Movies

Postby DAILYMILKMAN » Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:15 pm

CALIGULA AND MESSALINA
1981
(ENGLISH)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083710/

Description: Made to cash in on the notoriety of Tinto Brass's 1979 movie 'Caligula', Italian sleaze-merchant Bruno Mattei's 'Caligula and Messalina' is packed to the gills with soft-core scenes of sex and violence. Despite lacking the hardcore porn and graphic gore to be found in Brass's movie, Mattei's production (available on German DVD in an uncut 108 minute version) is still fairly entertaining stuff..
John Turner stars as nutty Roman Emperor Caligula, who commits incest with his sisters, makes his horse a member of the Senate, and executes the innocent on a whim.
Messalina (played by gorgeous Betty Roland) is a power-hungry nymphomaniac who will stop at nothing to become Empress of Rome. She brings herself to the attention of Caligula by battling in the gladiator arena and it is not long before she achieves her goal, upsetting the Emperor's youngest sister Agrippina, who hopes that her son Nero will eventually become ruler of Rome.
Agrippina successfully plots Caligula's downfall, but Messalina rains on her parade by immediately jumping into the sack with his successor, Claudius. But naughty old Messalina can't commit herself to one man, and shags everyone in sight, including a grotesque, but well-endowed, frequenter of brothels, a randy midget, her eunuch(!?!?) and an ex-lover. When she ends up pregnant, and it is obvious that the father is not Claudius (since he has been away fighting in foreign lands), Agrippina finally sees her opportunity to be rid of her nemesis once and for all.
Chock full of full frontal female nudity, some male nudity, simulated sex, incest, lesbianism, Bacchanalian orgies, rape and buggery, this movie is definitely not one for the easily offended. And if none of that bothers you, then the graphic scenes of horses anasily offended. And if none of that bothers you, then the graphic scenes of horses and donkeys getting jiggy will probably do the trick (the close-up shots were too much for me!). Surprisingly, in contrast, the violence is pretty low-key, with most of it happening off screen.
Mattei, obviously working with a low budget, resorts to padding his movie with footage from other films, particularly for crowd scenes requiring many extras, but to be fair it all works pretty well. 'Caligula and Messalina' is fun slice of schlock entertainment and is worth a viewing for fans of historical exploitation, but those hoping for the polished look and excesses of its more famous predecessor may be disappointed.

Link (the uncut 108 min version; English)
http://veehd.com/video/3703682_Caligula-and-Messalina-1981-DVD-ENG--Bruno-Mattei-Antonio-Passalia
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Re: Willemvijf's rare and hard to find Movies

Postby DAILYMILKMAN » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:06 pm

Thanks, my friend, for your comment..
Well, I didnt make it to Frankfurt- actually I have never been there, although I have been travelling from N to S and from W to E, but never mind. I had some good sunny days in the Teutoburger Wald and that is enough for now. My next destination will be Berlin, hopefully soon..
I really like this search for Caligula movies, but it is a real mess, everybody crying : they have found the ultimate UNCUT version blablabla!! For those interested: a complete (?) list
can be found on http://www.caligulathemovie.com/other.html.
The other problem refers to the many down and upload problems, it is difficult to find the right files, 20 % of the uploads are not successfull, I have to start over again.
That is the story for now, I am glad to see so many fans and friends appreciating my work.
So no complaining, just carrying on!
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Re: Willemvijf's rare and hard to find Movies

Postby DAILYMILKMAN » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:25 pm


CALIGULA THE UNTOLD STORY

1982 Joe D'Amato
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082133/
Also Known As
* Caligola: La storia mai raccontata (Italy)
* Caligula II (Finland)
* Caligula II: The Forbidden Story (Netherlands)
* Caligula II: The Untold Story (undefined)
* Caligula: The Untold Story (UK)
* Caligula: la véritable histoire (France)
* Diastrofes tou Kaligoula (Greece)
* Emperor Caligula (Italy)
* Emperor Caligula: The Garden of Taboo (USA) (video title)
* Imperatore Caligula, L' (Italy) (alternative title)
* Kaligula (Poland)

* Running Time: 109 min | UK:86 min | Italy:125 min (hardcore version)| Australia:95 min | USA:92 min [Source: IMDb]
Full discussion (in English) and comparison of the shorter and longer versions:
http://www.schnittberichte.com/report.php?ID=2018
http://www.schnittberichte.com/report.php?ID=1443
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Storyline: The deranged Roman emperor Gainus 'Caligula' (Little Boots) Caesar (12-41 A.D.) rules Rome with an iron fist and has anyone tortured and executed for even the slightest insubordination. Mostly set during his last year of his reign, as Caligula loses support due to his brutal and crazed excess, a young Moor woman, named Miriam, becomes his lover while ploting to kill him to avenge the murder of a friend which Caligula was responsible for. But Miriam is torn between her personal vendetta against Caligula and her own personal feelings towards him, despite his madness and debauched lifestyle of orgies and bloody torture murders.--


LINK 1: (ENG WITH DUTCH SUBS, 103+ min) (poor video quality)
http://www.divxstage.net/video/rkmvw10rq27er

LINK 2: (English, Italian parts with Eng Subs, full Hardcore version, 125 min) (good video quality)

CD1: (new!)
http://www.divxstage.eu/video/jggf45sphvh6n
CD2: (new!)
http://www.divxstage.eu/video/rf9dzdfefw260
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Re: Willemvijf's rare and hard to find Movies

Postby DAILYMILKMAN » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:58 pm

MESSALINA, MESSALINA!
1977 Softerotic Drama (Eng Dubbed).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076388/
http://www.caligulathemovie.com/
aka
Caligula II: Messalina, Messalina USA (DVD title)
Caligula, Part II: Messalina, Empress of Love (undefined)
Caligula: Sins of Rome USA (video title)
I Messalina kai oi antres tis Greece (video title)
Mesalina, Mesalina Spain
Messalina - Kaiserin und Hure West Germany
Messalina - keisarinna ja huora Finland
Messalina enantion Messalina Greece (transliterated ISO-LATIN-1 title)
Messalina, Empress of Rome USA
Messaline, impératrice et putain France

COMMENT [IMDb]
...First off, "Messalina, Empress of Rome", is not the original title of this movie, and neither is "Caligula, the sins of Rome". These are both titles given to the original 1977 movie, "Messalina! Messalina!". It was re-titled for the video market in 1991 and 1994. The very cool thing about this movie is that it features almost all the sets and props used in the 1980 Classic, "Caligula". Caligula was actually shot in 1976, but because of various lawsuits, wasn't released until February 1980. The Co-Producer of Caligula, Franco Rossellini, decided in early 1977 to use the sets and props left-over from Caligula and shoot a quickie. He cast 2 actresses from Caligula, Anneka di Lorenzo and Lori Wagner, for the new movie, and then brought in a whole new crew to help out. It's true this movie isn't the best, it's dubbed from the Italian, it's grainy, but it is definatley a fun watch. There are some very funny scenes, some nice boobies, and a bit of a story to keep things interesting. You really get to see the Caligula sets, designed by Danilo Donati, much better than in Caligula, and that in itself is worth the price of admission...

LINK TO WATCH
http://www.divxstage.net/video/z0pwbhgxu3tt9
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Re: Willemvijf's rare and hard to find Movies

Postby DAILYMILKMAN » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:21 pm

MESSALINA
aka MESSALINA THE VIRGIN EMPRESS
aka LES ORGIES DE MESSALINE (french title)

(again:) Joe D' Amato 1996
Adult HardCore Video Starring Kelly Trump
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0279956/
http://www.caligulathemovie.com/other.html


LINK TO WATCH (a French copy, no Subs, moderate quality)
http://www.divxstage.net/video/2p4klzxzx0z2r
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